So we know they can jack your campaigns.
We know that not all your traffic you pay for reaches your tracker/LP.
Did you know they can change your bids WITHOUT NOTICE ???!!!
Yep, a partner and I were trying to figure a campaign that had GREAT CONVERSIONS. Was having sucky numbers. [losing and big!!!]
P202 was showing everything fine.
But when we looked at the cost and what p202 was showing for cost. It didnt line up.
I went back and checked Lead Impact.
Yep. the original bid of .0035 was NOT .017 !!! [even though we had 2 other campaigns with the same price that HAD NOT been altered]
Well, that makes a HELL of a difference dont it ?!
Oh and this happened to be in the campaign and country that we sent the most volume after initial test. Hmmmm, makes ya wonder 😛
So, I have NEVER had to take screen shots when I start a campaign to prove numbers I put in, but I can tell you I will now. Since, Im sure they will deny everything and tell me we changed something ourselves [we didnt]
Now you have something else to worry about and check.
Did my traffic change their prices on me and not notify me ???
"They say wisdom comes from making mistakes… Then I have to be the wisest mo-fo on the planet since I have made them all and continue to find new ones :P"
The minimum bid for LI is .015 in the cheap categories. Also why would a .002 extra bid make a difference? I would think you run on a higher ROI…. lol
How did you enter 0.0035 as the bid? When you enter bids lower than 0.015 in the us or 0.017 intl it flags up a error…
I’ve heard others complain about this as well…thanks for the heads up!
.0035 is standard in many international countries, and .017 is commonly the Canadian lowest bid. (higher than US, yes, and I have no idea why.)
Lead Impact lets you set your own category at first but if they determine you put it in the wrong category they will come in and switch your category, which can up your min bid.
They changed your category and/or country or something, because it was incorrect most likely. If it wasn’t incorrect, then just talk to them and have them fix it.
thanks! we had no idea.
thats pretty f’d to not give notice.
do you know anywhere in their documentation that says this ?
Thanks Again for letting us know
"Learning is half the battle!"
I can see why they might change category or country for your campaign but doing so without giving official notice to the user is unprofessional in my opinion, it’s your damn money so you should be immediately notified whenever they do something that effects it’s usage. It would make more sense to change the bids/settings and pause the campaign and email you notification of what’s happened and why. E.g. camp paused due to incorrect category used, category changed causing bid adjustment and subsequently paused waiting for your intervention.
You wouldn’t half the payout on an offer and not tell affiliates immediately… And if you did you’d get some pretty irate people.
i had the same situation exactly before with leadimpact.
my main bid was 0.015 and got approved at that bid and everything is okay the next time i added targets they changed my bids to 0.03 !!!! so instead of getting 50 % ROI i was losing.
since that time i check bids everyday to make sure am okay and if they changed anything i just resubmit the campaign and resubmit again till i pay what i used to pay for every pop.
Thanks for the head’s up guys. Going to start taking a glance at the "Avg CPV" in the dashboard as a safety measure.
I am not sure how I know (probably on this board), but I have always known that LI can change your category if they feel it is not correct (don’t see it in their T&C or Code of Conduct though). I have never actually had this happen though. I usually search each category by clicking the "Pricing Guide For Category: link on the Landing Page creation page which shows the list of all countries and the min bids for each category your select and I try to find the best mix of a category that could possibly be interpreted as relating to my offer and the lowest price. I avoid "Lifestyle:Other" as I feel it has been abused too much. There are plenty of categories/sub-categories that start at the 0.015 min bid.
what is worse is
I was in the right category:
entertainment and horoscope
AND THAT WAS THE BLINKING OFFER!!!
I feel they took a look at what was doing the most volume and decided that we aff’s are stupid enough not to check and bumped that one up.
Well I was… but not for a long.
Now, everyone knows on this board AND one other has stepped forward to admit that it has happened to them.
So, that is not a ‘fluke’
Sucks, since they have the most and best INTL cpv traffic from my testing of all 4: mediatraffic, Adon, Trafficvance and Lead Impact.
I will let the board know the results of confronting them with this and you can bet I will LOUDLY ask their wandering reps. at ASW about this. many, many, many times.
Shit like this is why regulation will happen if we dont clean up the industry ourselves. IMHO.
Yeah, I’ve had them change the category for offers that were correctly categorized and go from .015 to 0.03 per view.
I only happened to notice because I wanted to see exactly how much a certain keyword had spent, so I ran a keyword report and found they were all spending way too much money.
ok, that makes 3 people. so this has now gone from ‘phoenix fucked up’ to ‘anomaly’ to ‘pattern’
anyone else check their reports and see this ?
On a side note, I love the way that LI sent out emails saying ‘your keywords have bewen approved’.
Thats nice. Would it kill you to include which f****** campaign you are refering to, out of the ton I have on your system?
yes, I have had that complaint too.
I infact had 6 put up. 2 got approved. then week later the other 2. and 2 more just got approved after 1mnth in the system.
WTF?! come on trafficvance get more intl traffic so we can drop LI!!!!
^ Surprised it takes that long for you to get a campaign approved, that’s ridiculous… I’ve only had to wait a day max to get my camps approved. *knock on wood*
If LI rapes you, you rape it back. Was able to do profits of over 5 figures a day on that platform for 2 months straight, so can’t hate on it too much. Their volume is insane compared to TrafficVance.
You were so pissed in your original post then so happy about what I posted, I thought you were being sarcastic to me at first lol.
I don’t think its in their documentation. My rep told me they do this. They check because you can pick any category you want when you set up the campaign.
Also, when you go and change your landing page url, I believe they will not pause your campaign but let it keep running. But they do get a notification in the system and they will go in and look at it.
Anyway my reps aim is jkwik82. It shows her name as becky but I think its Jennifer and she is very responsive.
I had no idea they had reps….
it gets worse.
I just had a talk with Nicole.
She told me a number of things:
1. compliance can change bids & category at any time and DO NOT have to inform. if they think you should be some place else they will move it. NO NOTICE
2. they dont steal campaigns but if an adv comes to them they will kick off all pubs for that adv. (so block or cloak)
3. they know about the traffic discrepancy and do not care "everyone has that"
so, yes you can make money on LEAD IMPACT, but it seems you need to be as ‘slick’ as they are and cover your ass.
@evasive. yep, seems like the plan… were u cloaking ?
yes I was pissed. not at you. no I was not sarcastic. sorry. will put token for that.
ya it sucks but whatcha going to do.
ask for money back ?
now its out them and take advantage of them.
as one mentor said… "NEXT!"
It is ridiculous that they know about their traffic discrepancy and say "everyone has that"
… the hell?
i guess this happens when you have little direct competition? TV hasnt really improved since its volume and quality started to suck a couple of months ago. I dont think the other networks can get close to the volume LI offers either.
Its time for someone else to step in.
Oh please 50onRed can you release a popup ad format and keep going at building your volume
Yes. I believe cloaking is the only way to make big money on LI. By cloaking I mean, just putting elements on your LP that they would disapprove if you submitted it how it is (trademarks, popups, logos, entering pops, exit pops, page maximizers).
Are scripts that max out the page view really help a lot? I always thought it would kill the conversion cause it would make the user click out faster
I was not cloaking and it was confirmed I was running the right offer in the right category, they just didnt like the bid I put in it got accepted then their compliance changed it to the ‘proper’ one for that country and not even the lowest one. the lowest one was .015 they were nice enough to put me at .017. thank you. you @#[email protected]#.
when I called I got ‘nicole’ right away. she told me what I have told you and even went to tell me about all the bad things people were saying "they dont care." the last time I got arrogance like that. I was talking to the CA tax franchise board.
They admit to changing prices (though she backtracked and said no one did on mine and they ran an analytics to prove it) and told me to ‘suck it’
There will be no credit or money refunded. Pretty much told me if I dont like it. "take my business elsewhere’
I am now consulting with my partner on the next course of action.
and as my childhood hero bugs bunny would say… "you know of course… this means war!"
I think ill find a script to cloak LI and GIVE IT OUT FOR FREE ?!
[ I know… Ill have to appease tijin and polarbacon some how 1st]
but how is that for ‘fighting back’ ?
Yeah that sucks but..
I know you’re mad, but don’t sacrifice your entire account by cloaking unless you REALLY don’t care and can get another one if you get banned. You are always going to have to deal with things like this.
If you can accept that this shit will always happen, and will keep happening.. not just with lead impact but life and business in general.. shrug it off and you can still probably make some good money with them. If you get your account banned you are screwing yourself over too.
lol. (not laughing at you, but with you)
I appreciate the good advice and was not planning to cloak my main account. [another.. who knows ]
and yes I am/was mad at them, but if I stayed mad at all the things that can go wrong in life or business. I would have imploded decades ago.
Like most healthy people: I vent, learn, move on… life is too short and unpredictable to keep picking ‘scabs’
again. thanks for the healthy advice. always good when someone wants the best for you
I don’t know that you can trust the "Avg CPV" column. I’ve had campaigns where Avg CPV says "$0.015" and after adding some keywords they’ve increased my bids to 0.0250. The campaign ran for a few days before I caught the mistake, but the Avg CPV never increased above "$0.015" even though I was paying more.
more and more Lead Impact stories.
looks like we have to keep a watch on them.
How ‘un-professional’ of them. 😛
they have always been shady, even when they were zango.
i guess its all part of this business, not much we can do except wait until something better comes along and abandon them.
It’s part of the business and how they work.
However you must not forget they are the biggest CPV network at the moment.
So it’s either adapt and make money or give up.
How much of a diff with LI and TV in volume?
The last time I ran with them, depleted my funds in minutes and my numbers were way off as well.
In my experience LI has 3x or 4x the volume TV has.
Yeah LI is definitely starting to piss all over my corn flakes.. every new campaign I put gets dissaproved then recategorized to some niche that costs .035 cents min bid.
What’s that sound? PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Yea they are checking categories more now, and changing them to the correct ones.
Yeah, I just think bid prices should be determined by competition. I can understand them changing my bids from .015 to .017 depending on the category, but .035?! I guess I’ll start testing with 2 urls instead of 50 from now on.
how is putting up with it going to change it ?
doesnt it make more sense we boycott for 3 mnths. do another traffic source and then come back when either 1. they change or 2. they go bankrupt and STM can buy the technology?
if I keep giving a crooked store money. why would they change ?
and as u see. they are ONLY getting more rigid.
how long until they are as hard to get a new account as FB or TV ?!
few want to risk cloaking TV… what will keep LI from going that ‘anal’ ?
Vote with your dollars. that is the only sound business’s care about
I’m all in if this actually can be achieved.. It’s my only traffic source right now, but if there’s enough people willing to fight then I’ll do it.
How much on average per day do you guys make on LI?