Thought I would make this post to help the community out.
I have 3 friends that all work at Facebook. 2 in the Menlo Park headquarters location and one in Austin Texas. All of them work in the ads department/media solution department. I’ve contacted them about getting bumps and accounts for quite sometime with no luck.
Facebook has tightened up their rules and policies heavily with getting high limit accounts. Reason being is in the past people were able to get high limit accounts easily and they would rack up the spend and cancel their credit card screwing Facebook out of a great deal of money. Facebook reps can only give high limit accounts to people with established ad agencies that have spent big money. An account with a few "clean ads" running will not get a "bump"
Facebook is also catching on with people running a few dollars in clean ads and asking for a huge spend increase. Be careful when doing that because your account will get banned.
As of now getting high limit accounts and bumps is very difficult. I have 3 close friends that work in FB and can’t do anything for me unless they want to risk their job. I would be careful in trusting someone who can get you a bump. There is a lot of scams going on here.
Do you really think Facebook is more worried about not getting paid than about not wanting affiliates running sh-t?
If so, they could just switch the system to prepay and we would all happily do it. I’ll wire them $10,000 tomorrow if it will ease their concern
Well if they accept prepay money they would have to protect the funds and presumably enforce much stricter data protection rules, and accounting regulations. I don’t think they have anything against affiliates, we are just the ones that push the boundaries.
I think it is about the ads people run, not fb’s fear of getting stiffed on payments. They ban accounts with perfect payment history and then refund money to some people after they ban their accounts.
I think its a shoot first ask questions later state right now at fb…..and alot if this is due to what the OP said….I have heard these exact complaints from inside fb…and its not a small amount of money its millions…..
the black hatters were exploiting this for quite some time and I believe many of affs were as well when you account got banned for running shady ads….people would just block the cc charges on the card….the "fuck you facebook" mentality….which in the end only makes the situation worse….
BUT here is what i dont care for about all of this…..
there is a really simple solution and thats pre pays…..most private ad networks work on it…no reason with new accounts esp they couldn’t implement this policy….i mean fuck Lead Impact and Traffic Vance seem to do it just fine…..its not rocket science…..
this is what i dont get about fb….they are going to great lengths to keep a flawed system in place….when it seems like such a simple fix since companies which are 1/20 or less in size have these systems in place….
but thats just me and my logic talkin’
Prepays…That’s what I said
The fact that they don’t do it, and that they allow accounts to run with payment not going through for more than one day shows their primary concern is user experience not payment fraud.
Not saying they don’t care about getting ripped off, but their actions show that they are most concerned with what kind of ads people run and how they think it effects user experience.
I am only stating what my friends tell me. Ultimately Facebook cares about their money. Back several years ago I was able to get high spend accounts very easily and it would take prepaid CC’s. If I wanted to I could have easily taken Facebook out for a good amount of money.
There is a reason why a new account starts off at $50. They want to see that you have good payment history before bumping you. If Facebook doesn’t care about their money, all new accounts should have unlimited spend.
Also another thing I should note is, when a Facebook employee authorizes a bump on a account, that gets logged onto their system, so they know who authorized this bump. If anything goes wrong with the account, it goes back to that employee. I heard that back then this was not the case, employees giving bumps were not tracked until recently.
I hope things lighten up with Facebook soon and I will be able to get accounts again
Also as of last year The head of Ads Dept is none other than Gokul Rajaram, for those of you unfamiliar he designed Googles ad policies and "shoot first ask q’s later" system
If you look closely anyone who has worked on adwords will find LOT of similarities between the Big G and Facebook account ban system since mid last year.
SO unless facebook misses their earnings big, the idea of it easing up is highly unlikely.
Are you able to ask your friends what triggers bans/account reviews?
1. Spending limit bumps
2. People reporting your ads
3. Logging in from a different location?
4. What else?
Unfortunately my friends do not work in the risk department so they do not know exactly why accounts get banned but from my experience I can say this:
All those things will trigger a ban. When you continue to max your limit on your account, Facebook will look into it because they want to raise your limit, but when they see something suspicious it will get banned.
People reporting ads is another reason why you would get banned
Logging in from a different location has definitely gotten more strict. Back 1-2 years ago I remember I was using the same banned IP to access my new accounts. I would buy a $5k account and just log in with the same computer and same IP. Now they track that IP so if you were to log into the same account using a banned IP, it will locked the account and ask for ID.
Above all else, its all in your ads!! If you run clean ads you will less likely to get banned. Run the typical lose 100lbs in 30 days ad with a celebrity then it will get killed quick!
So you log into new accounts with your banned IP?
My IP isn’t banned.
So if i head over to Starbucks and run my ads from there, I will get banned, if another dude got banned a few days before?
Anyways, from my understanding, and its in the TOS, you are allowed 25 accounts per owner. And also when they send you a
letter that you got banned and decision is final and tell you its ok to make more accounts.
well the truth is nobody knows the truth. All speeches aside what i think we just milk the fuck out of it now and if facebook decides to close all doors for affiliates at least we still made some out of it… But in all problems they give us there will always be a solution we can come out with.. i mean come on, people are STILL cloaking google the big dog and making sick money as i type…
About a year ago I had an account banned at my address. I bought another 5k account and logged in using that IP, everything was good. Now I try doing that, the account is good for a day and then either gets banned or locked. If use a new IP I am good.
A month ago my my agency account got banned, then last week I added a personal fb acc to same IP and pc with no problem and still advertising :s
And they are strict with any bumps? Even 250 to 500?
bump bans are anywhere. a pro told me, only way to go about it is using more accounts – numbers games…
Sometimes brilliant opportunities are often disguised as impossible situations.
The higher barriers just means once you’ve cracked the puzzle, it’s harder for others to break in.
I’m kinda liking the new situation with bans. It’s a bitch to deal with, but not impossible. What dr ngo is saying is exactly right. higher ctr, lower cpcs, less competition and stealing eventually.
Yes this is similar to Google a few years back. The ones that can still get on will make it
Yes. That is so true. BTW. Awesome blog you got going. Read just about every post.
mgrunin speaks truth
Allow me to give you guys a heads up. The risk department from Facebook has a subscription on this forum. I experienced it first hand, and can verify it 110% since they mentioned my username and this forum in a conversation. Having said that, make sure you keep sensitive information private, and not publicly posted on the boards here. Most of all, make sure that your identity on this forum cannot be linked to your Facebook accounts. Stay safe.
P.S – Hi Facebook Team, enjoy the weekend.
P.S.S – reedrothchild; posting a screenshot of a very unique spend increase isn’t the best thing to do right now. If Facebook does catch wind of your post, it would be very easy to link your increase to an account. As much as your campaigns might be clean, they wouldn’t be pleased to see that you are part of an affiliate community.
How about if the moderator just bans every IP from Northern California from this forum. Problem solved.
LOL, are you serious? You think Facebook just has people watching in Northern Ca? Haha
This FB rat is the main reason I’m not doing a follow-along for FB – going clean and having success (but would still get my account slammed if they found out I was part of an "affiliate gang" (STM)). Could be better with y’all’s help! Excited about tasteful cloaking in the next few weeks and unfortunately ideas have to be discussed behind closed doors. Nothing beats small masterminds, but I am certain the vibe of the FB section of STM would be different had we not heard Martin’s warning…
Btw, OP, different departments can do different things. My mate says things aren’t what they used to be, but he has recently reaped the small but quantifiable benefits of getting friendly outside of the support ticket system. All it took him was [unique-ish first name] facebook -site:facebook.com… he is very persuasive.
FB rat, reveal yourself and state your business…
I know personally someone from facebook who has been here and on some other affiliate marketing forums. Its always good to share stuff, but keep super sensitive information to masterminds or smaller groups. They are not some FBI inflatrating a hackers group.
The person I know told me this : Someone was called up and asked for a bump. They said that they have seen people selling $5k accoounts on STM and were wondering if they could also get a bump. And after that FB looked into it.
SO it was literally a stupidity of someone from here who drew the attention to the whole selling accounts shananigans.
Its all still possible, but just harder. As someone said before: for some this really is a blessing in disguise. I have fortunately someone where I can get high spend accs and have noticed huge diffrence between now and before.
And also they dont care that much about CC charges. Yes they do obviously , but to an extent. Thats not their main concern. Guys who run up the bill and dont pay really are hurting just the competitors. They drive up the click prices, so in the end FB doesnt have to pay more. Its the hurting of their brand and reputation that the guys like us who cloak and run some shady shit – this is what is the big concern (since we make it seem by cloaking that they are openly endorising and accepting those type of offers and ads)
It sort of defeats the purpose of this forum to not be able to discuss things openly. We’re basically paying to be a part of a group that shares techniques and insight, then having to discuss things in private.
I’m sure it wouldn’t take much effort for someone to find the username with a low post count (or none at all) consistently monitoring this particular subforum, from a specific region.
I guess I’m not really surprised, but I am a little disappointed.
I’ve said before that naesm’s follow along was very helpful for me. With the account issues he’s dealing with now, I doubt he’d do it all again in the open like that knowing what it could cost. The follow alongs here add a lot of value to the membership.
@adamp, Even if you found the account, how are you going to stop them from signing up again and doing whatever is needed to make their account look legit? There is really not much that anyone can do here.
That being said I’m sure they know about all our methods already and there isn’t much they can do to stop us beyond what they have already done. Their main concern is likely finding the people in their organization that are selling accounts (and bumps) for personal profit.
Yea, it really turns into a game of wack a mole. You’re right.
I do hope that you’re also right that they only care about account sales and stuff like that. It’s a shame they wouldn’t just relax a bit and everyone (them included) would make some more coin.